understand when bb will become insensitive to mom movement

by Guest Thu 06 Jan 2011, 21:44

To be continue now go wash room first Giggle

by Guest Thu 06 Jan 2011, 21:47

I don want to have laptop at good else I will chat too much so guys remember I am using mobile phone to chat after bursa hours so typing will be slow and only log in when I have some inspiration to share

by Guest Thu 06 Jan 2011, 21:57

1. Bb will become relatively insensitive to mom when mom drop too much such as mas or us too much such as ken Bb and drb Bb and today case of uemland cc and bursa cp etc

2. The other reason is Bb still have very long expiry date

3. Or those plus Bb which mom is undergoing take over etc

by Guest Thu 06 Jan 2011, 22:05

When bb up too much tentatively player

1. Afraid of mom retrace whilst fear overwhelming greed at certain stage and therefore buyer became more reluctant to chase and push and take aggressive stance

2. Where seller are stuck with too huge inventory and everyone are loaded and consequently and eventually everyone will think the same to sell at lower premium when mom movement become stagnant cause remember that Bb player mostly make us of short term contra player and less than 5% able to pick ts stock

by Guest Thu 06 Jan 2011, 22:11

3. When price go higher these will be less and less buyer and more and more seller cause everyone think the same. Buyer scare to be trap and seller wanted to realise gain ASAP if possible. Therefore whoever declare the first blood and start selling huge quantity will have domino effect and dampen the sentiment more severe than likewise. Case study is drb kencana airasia gamuda mphb mahsing and much more

by Guest Thu 06 Jan 2011, 22:21

When mom go down too Sharp like mas Bb premium tend to increase a lot cause this is the blind spot facing Bb player as Bb tend to drop from say 30 or even 50 cents to less than
10 cents star as mas ca supermx and much more.

Player tend to hope that mom will rebound one day and strike a big fortune while this can be materialize but overall chance are still less likely. Mas Bb recent rebound is a good case study but what if mom not rebound and night as well we just go in for quick buck pending mom movement.

Bb insensitive to mom movement when mom go down too much partly attributed to banker market making strategy too

by Guest Thu 06 Jan 2011, 22:32

We should avoid insensitive Bb if we could for either is up too much down too much or those with high ratio high premium wide spread low volume less actively market making Bb like genting public bank cimb tenaga tm igb and so on. The remard when mom go up say 5 cent the Bb may only go up half cent but when mom go down 5 cent the Bb may go down 1.5 cent. So we as player is already go the losing side when we go in to lagging Bb. Just like we play in casino and banker having upper game over player.

by Guest Thu 06 Jan 2011, 22:39

We won't know when the Bb will become insensitive say when mom go us too much like kencana. It's all through trial and experience. These is no guideline on when we will know Bb will become insensitive cause the trading of security is make up of human mind but we can have signal or I call it feeling that when mom us few more bid but if Bb having hard time to push us due to consistent selling from seller that the time Bb has reach saturation point. At this juncture chances to make money is far less than risk.

by Guest Thu 06 Jan 2011, 22:44

The tricky thing is today saturation may not mean it will saturated forever and Bb will become0responsive again when mom have enough rest and trading sideway pending next sound of movement. So again we need to be alert when bb will become responsive again. There are never ending study on call warrant cause the market condition change daily. For me no one ever teach me on Bb trading and I learn it all through actual battle and observation.

by Guest Thu 06 Jan 2011, 22:51

I may still have too many thing to share but inspiration gone liao. Devil

I just advise comrade here. NEver think yourself are smart enough in Bb trading even after say half year in Bb trade. You guy won't learn anything if you guy not joining the live commentary and only read the message after trading hour or from time to time. Cause the uniqueness and the core meaning of the messages will be distorted. Giggle

by Guest Thu 06 Jan 2011, 22:58

For other making 1% everyday out of amount they trade can be damn difficult and this especially true in forum like Investlah. The sifu are satisfied say with 20% gain a year but view never ever and forever not going to undertamd that making even 2000% for maxims is achievable not just trading Bb alone but blend with trading other normal counter. But for now I just deal with Bb talk and not more than that. Fubar

by Guest Thu 06 Jan 2011, 23:06

For me say I have 10k capital

A gain of 1 to 5k is possible daily. So The question more enlighten the answer. You guy want make so much or still wanna stick to the useless worthless and no value ego and ashamed to start new thing. Finger

Maxims will still trade as with or without comrades but again it's my nature I want other get rich those that suspicious so much the result is simple. They will still making say 10 20% a year while those more humble and open to new opportunity they may end us double their assets easily in a year or so. Cool

by Guest Thu 06 Jan 2011, 23:14

Trading bb is not just that mom up 2 cent then Bb will us 1 cent kind of easy. This kind of understanding everyone also know la. Ok my posting done lo. Beer

by twink Thu 06 Jan 2011, 23:19

I'm reading live.
Thank you very much for the precious information.

by Guest Thu 06 Jan 2011, 23:25

I hope all friend here helping each other lo especially try to answer simple question from newbies and this is the kindness of everyone ma. MY character is I dislike selfish friend.

by **ejam77** Thu 06 Jan 2011, 23:45

so max.....i'll learning time to time....can we setup some meeting to study this secret of BB....when u come to semenanjung for leisure laaa.....hehehhehe.....

by acyk Thu 06 Jan 2011, 23:49

Wow! having such expertise in trading BB must be owed to years of practice & experience. Someone told me once that it took Robert Kuok 3 years to really understand fully how to trade profitably in sugar futures.
It looks like trading BB is more complicated than future trading. But it can be simple as the BB is lagging a bit behind mom. My simple application, as rule of thumb, is to detect mom's momentum. Mom always moves first and BB (less sensitive; not insenstive) gives one the chance to buy/sell according mom's movement. That's the beauty in trading BB.

I stand to be corrected. Max, care to comment. Thanks.

by Netsoft Thu 06 Jan 2011, 23:54

Good read

by Guest Fri 07 Jan 2011, 00:08

acyk wrote:Wow! having such expertise in trading BB must be owed to years of practice & experience. Someone told me once that it took Robert Kuok 3 years to really understand fully how to trade profitably in sugar futures.
It looks like trading BB is more complicated than future trading. But it can be simple as the BB is lagging a bit behind mom. My simple application, as rule of thumb, is to detect mom's momentum. Mom always moves first and BB (less sensitive; not insenstive) gives one the chance to buy/sell according mom's movement. That's the beauty in trading BB.

I stand to be corrected. Max, care to comment. Thanks.

Yup mother always move first and child follows but this is not max try to tell ever since what you said is just basic knowledge of all call warranter must possess. What he try to tell is a step more in depth of identifying the timing of child saturation point whereas it take extra effort for child to move forward than other non saturated child. Less sensitive or Insensitive bear virtually the same meaning my 1 cent.

by Guest Fri 07 Jan 2011, 00:17

This is good topic for us to discuss and is really out of my mind max can go so detail in exploring child characteristic which I am sure most experience trader do overlook this insensitivity characteristic of underlying derivative. Salute to maxims. Guess he is relaxing while foruming yet able to forge out such article. Thumbs Up

by acyk Fri 07 Jan 2011, 00:29

Polly wrote:
acyk wrote:Wow! having such expertise in trading BB must be owed to years of practice & experience. Someone told me once that it took Robert Kuok 3 years to really understand fully how to trade profitably in sugar futures.
It looks like trading BB is more complicated than future trading. But it can be simple as the BB is lagging a bit behind mom. My simple application, as rule of thumb, is to detect mom's momentum. Mom always moves first and BB (less sensitive; not insenstive) gives one the chance to buy/sell according mom's movement. That's the beauty in trading BB.

I stand to be corrected. Max, care to comment. Thanks.

Yup mother always move first and child follows but this is not max try to tell ever since what you said is just basic knowledge of all call warranter must possess. What he try to tell is a step more in depth of identifying the timing of child saturation point whereas it take extra effort for child to move forward than other non saturated child. Less sensitive or Insensitive bear virtually the same meaning my 1 cent.

The point I want to convey is to make trading BB simple. Spotting BB's saturation point is not easy but detecting momentum is possible. And momentum happens very quickly.
possible & practablea

by Guest Fri 07 Jan 2011, 00:43

acyk wrote:
Polly wrote:
acyk wrote:Wow! having such expertise in trading BB must be owed to years of practice & experience. Someone told me once that it took Robert Kuok 3 years to really understand fully how to trade profitably in sugar futures.
It looks like trading BB is more complicated than future trading. But it can be simple as the BB is lagging a bit behind mom. My simple application, as rule of thumb, is to detect mom's momentum. Mom always moves first and BB (less sensitive; not insenstive) gives one the chance to buy/sell according mom's movement. That's the beauty in trading BB.

I stand to be corrected. Max, care to comment. Thanks.

Yup mother always move first and child follows but this is not max try to tell ever since what you said is just basic knowledge of all call warranter must possess. What he try to tell is a step more in depth of identifying the timing of child saturation point whereas it take extra effort for child to move forward than other non saturated child. Less sensitive or Insensitive bear virtually the same meaning my 1 cent.

The point I want to convey is to make trading BB simple. Spotting BB's saturation point is not easy but detecting momentum is possible. And momentum happens very quickly.
possible & practablea

What I understand is not sensitive insensitive or less sensitive mean even mother up but children less likely to follow mother cohesively even mom full of momentum and I think this is what max are saying. I did read his today posting repeatedly and do check counter that he mentioned and found that is true. Nevertheless you do have your point and is via discussion we tend to learn more. Handshake

by Guest Fri 07 Jan 2011, 01:01

Last. I do believe that trading child with simple skill would be disaster if we just focus on mother momentum and ignoring that her child have limited room to move upward and over time such scenario will strikeus hard one day.

by Guest Fri 07 Jan 2011, 01:06

Polly wrote:Last. I do believe that trading child with simple skill would be disaster if we just focus on mother momentum and ignoring that her child have limited room to move upward and over time such scenario will strikeus hard one day.

I truly appreciate max prediction today bursa will go all red tomorrow while other still talk about super bull run. Fully in cash now. Hoho.

by Samseng Fri 07 Jan 2011, 08:20

its more like a skill to master, and not a thing that a guy can master by just studying fundamentals and charts.

at least thats just what i notice

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